Archive for October, 2009

Talking Tank: Part 2

October 30, 2009 :: Posted by - Stompalina :: Category - Class Discussion, Podcast

Hosted by Hafrot

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Representing the Warriors: Veneretio
Representing the Death Knights: cdeagle
Representing the Paladins: Rawr Crew Member – Rhabella

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Yet another look at “Tax Reform”

October 29, 2009 :: Posted by - Ozimandias :: Category - Other

There are quite a few articles about the comment that Ghostcrawler left on the WoW forums that take issue with the “tax” that GC wrote about. Specifically, I would like to address the paragraph where GC said, “In our design, the pure dps classes (hunter, mage, warlock and rogue) should do slightly higher dps than hybrid damage-dealers all things being equal. All things are rarely equal. Player skill, gear, raid comp, latency, random luck and most importantly the specifics of the encounter will often favor one class, spec or player over another. “
In the article, “Tax Reform,” Plectical wrote that “My first reaction to this post was that GC was taking a very topical look at the contribution that hybrid classes make to instance and raid groups. If you’re looking at the DPS contribution of a Shaman to a raid, shouldn’t the raid wide increased damage of totems and heroism also be added to their DPS? Further, wouldn’t that actually make Shamans much more powerful than other DPS classes, thereby making undermining the entire notion of the tax?”
Rhabella also wrote about the same issue here, where he took a very through look at not only the tax, but the different taxes that are paid through the life-cycle of the hybrid toons. It is an excellent read and you can click here to read the full article.
Both of these players are much smarter than I am and I make no claims that they are wrong, I just wanted to ask a simple question: “If a ‘pure’ class (ALL things being equal-player skill, latency, gear-level) does not have some sort of advantage over hybrid classes in DPS then why would anyone roll a ‘pure’ DPS toon?”
It was my understanding of the game that ‘pure’ DPS would be the star of the show, dealing top 3 damage pretty much all of the time, and ‘hybrid’ DPS would fall below a class such as the rogue. However, while the rogue might be sticking and stabbing her way at the raid boss, the pally would bring his own slightly lower DPS to the table, but also some pretty awesome raid-wide buffs
There are of course many considerations to take into account here. As GC said, “the Blizzard definition of hybrid in this context has nothing to do with the power of certain buffs or class synergy. We want all classes to bring useful tools to the raid.” Everyone should have a place in the raid. I completely agree with this. The rogue has no buff to bring to the raid, and as such, she should be an expert with objects that inflict pain. All she does is stab stuff. The druid can pop out of what-ever form he is in and cast a wipe-saving heal. . The high DPS ensures the rogue a place in the raid, and the buffs do the same for the pally.
As Rhabella pointed out, “When an enhancement shaman chooses to use his maelstrom weapon stack on an instant chain heal in the raid if the tank needs some emergency loving, he has decided he is willing to pay the hybrid tax.” Yes, I agree that doing this will lower your DPS overall, and the Shammy might lose his spot on the DPS charts, but if you are pissed that the wipe-saving heal on the tank dropped your down some on the DPS charts, then you might have to take a look at your role in the raid. Nobody in their right mind would reprimand the shammy’s DPS if he just saved 24 other people a corpse run.
Overall, I think that we can’t have it all both ways. If a ‘hybrid’ class gears up and plays the toon better than a rogue does, then I see no problem with that shammy living life on top of the DPS charts, but the ability to bring raid buffs, emergency healing and versatility has to come at some kind of cost.

Moar taxes plz kthxbaiThere are quite a few articles about the comment that Ghostcrawler left on the Official WoW forums that take issue with the “tax” that GC wrote about. Specifically I would like to address the paragraph where GC said, “In our design, the pure dps classes (hunter, mage, warlock and rogue) should do slightly higher dps than hybrid damage-dealers all things being equal. All things are rarely equal. Player skill, gear, raid comp, latency, random luck and most importantly the specifics of the encounter will often favor one class, spec or player over another. ” GC made a statement first, and spent the next two sentences putting it into context.  The reaction has been quite rabid, so let’s dive into this issue together. Read more…

Tax Reform

October 29, 2009 :: Posted by - Plectical :: Category - Other

A recent post by Ghostcrawler on the forums caught my interest. It discussed the difference between “Pure” classes and “Hybrid” classes. GC stated that it is the policy of Blizzard to enforce a “Hybrid Tax” on players that play hybrid classes.  This tax means that if you had a Shaman and a Rogue going head to head on DPS, all thing being equal, the Rogue would beat out the Shaman. Hybrid classes receive this tax because of the different roles that they could potentially play (dps, heals or tank) while pure classes can only play one roll (dps).

My first reaction to this post was that GC was taking a very topical look at the contribution that hybrid classes make to instance and raid groups. If you’re looking at the DPS contribution of a Shaman to a raid, shouldn’t the raid wide increased damage of totems and heroism also be added to their DPS? Further, wouldn’t that actually make Shamans much more powerful than other DPS classes, thereby making undermining the entire notion of the tax?

Also, why is the Hybrid tax only applied to DPS? There seems to be no indication in the post that the hybrid tax applies to healing or tanking roles. The implication here is that Blizzard considers it okay to lower the DPS of hybrid classes but not their ability to effectively tank or heal (read tanks and healers are more important to the raid than DPS). Read more…

On Behalf of All Hybrids; How many taxes do we have to pay?

October 29, 2009 :: Posted by - Rhabella :: Category - Other

I completely read GC’s sticky on hybrids, and though I respect the analysis, I have to say it’s slightly incongruous with the current state of WoW.  If we are discussing Wrath WoW exclusively, and he was, then we need to discuss the hybrid tax already built into game mechanics.

The Pre-Pull Tax

This is the tax GC is talking about.  The idea that you have versatility means you should be taxed.  Versatility is defined by the idea that you can switch roles if needed.  This versatility is enough reason to tax a hybrid according to the sticky.  It, however, is not enough reason for a hybrid with a DPS spec to consistently fall below a pure on every fight because the there are many contributing factors to influence final damage meter numbers. Read more…

Finding that sweet spot

October 28, 2009 :: Posted by - Ozimandias :: Category - Other

Druids don't like it when you miss a raid!There was a time in my life, way back in 2006, you know AGES ago when I could play WoW when-ever and how-ever I wanted to. There was not a whole lot of things that kept me away from the game, but now that I am married, working full-time and have 3 boys to wrangle, things are different. I know that many of you are parents, and have a lot of responsibilities. How do you manage to juggle your RL with your WoW life?

I still remember when all I wanted in life was an Xbox 360. Every time I went to a store that sold one, they were always out. It came down to me paying a guy that worked in the stockroom at a store that was getting a shipment for me to finally get one. I played the heck out of the 360 and made a ton of friends on Xbox live and that was my life for a long time.

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Backpacking around Azeroth: Darkshire

October 28, 2009 :: Posted by - Emeny :: Category - Other

BackpackGreetings Rawrcast fans,

In the run up to Hallows eve it seem appropriate that I find myself venturing into the murky depths of Darkshire. Planning permission for graveyards must have been rife in these parts as the Duskwood surroundings boasts the biggest number of graves per square inch, but with the world under the grip of the scourge this does bring some problems. The Undead wander restless amongst the thickets and if you thought an army of the dead was enough to contend with explorers will need to be on guard against ogres, spiders and the cursed worgen.

Darkshire is not for the faint-hearted!

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Title Fight

October 28, 2009 :: Posted by - Plectical :: Category - Other

In the most recent episode of Rawrcast, Stomp and Haf brought up an interesting question;

Should titles come with additional awards?

As many of you know, I just completed the Loremaster achievement on my Warlock.  What if, in addition to the title, my character gained a passive buff that allowed him to gain 10% more gold from quest rewards when I had the Loremaster title equipped?

Most players would probably agree that titles should grant some additional bonus in game.  After all, most titles are extremely difficult to earn (i.e. the Undying and the Immortal) and in every other avenue of the game, players are rewarded for their effort in some tangible way (gear, XP or gold).  Don’t players deserve to get a little extra something for their effort?

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Episode 42: I’M AN ICEBLOCK

October 25, 2009 :: Posted by - Stompalina :: Category - Cataclysm, Podcast

On this week’s Rawrcast, Stomp and Haf review a few of the more notable questions posed during last week’s Blizzard Developer discussion on twitter, and details are shared on how Texanbeef became Azeroth’s first Tauren Mage.

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Gold Sellers

October 25, 2009 :: Posted by - Plectical :: Category - Community

You’ve seen it in trade chat a hundred times or in a whisper from an unfamiliar name, “Greetings, pleased you are to buy our gold. www.wowgoldXXX.com! Cheapest gold in WOW! Purchase Now!” Illegal gold sellers are roundly reviled by WOW players but why? Answering this question requires us to examine the evolution of Gold Selling in WOW.

The older, more primitive form of gold selling came from Gold Farmers. No doubt you’ve heard about the hordes of Chinese peasants stuffed into cramped rooms sitting shoulder to shoulder farming mobs and ore? The basic concept goes as follows: the price of gold fluctuates in relation to the US dollar like any other currency. There are some servers where inflation is high and a lot of gold buys very little. Conversely, there are some servers where inflation is low and a lot of gold buys well…a lot. Chinese (or any other ethnicity) gold farmers actually make their living from farming gold in game and selling it to affluent Western gamers (the money they get from selling gold is comparable to or in many cases, more than, the amount of money they could make working a normal job in their own country). Read more…

Pet Gear; Where did it go?

October 23, 2009 :: Posted by - Rhabella :: Category - Other

Oddly, after our tank talk last Friday night, I was trolling tankadin, and someone had started a thread very similar to the question Hafrot have posed at the round table, “if you could switch classes and retain your current level of gear, which tanking class would you pick?  Why?”  The forum took an odd turn when I saw a response I never anticipated, and it mentioned the hunter tank.

The Hunter Tank

The basic idea of hunter tanking is to use a tenacity pet, preferably one with a tanking cooldown, to tank.  The obvious choice would be a turtle because of shell shield.  The default cooldown on shell shield is one minute, but a BM hunter (I’m guessing this idea would only work with BM tree) with longevity you can bring down the cool to a mere 42 seconds if my math isn’t shoddy.  The idea isn’t really outrageous, though as a lock and someone who enjoys watching vids of ol’ blue tank; the minute the idea become viable, I am sure Blizzard will make efforts to correct such an injustice.  The post on hunter tanking mentioned the need for very specific pieces like the beast-tamers shoulders, and it got the wheels in my head to start spinning a little. Read more…